Tuesday, July 24, 2007

Will He Make It?

For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;
(James 1:7 – ESV)

Can a "saved" individual spend his life submitting to his old man, and have hope of spending eternity with the Father?

If that “saved” person was actually saved then obviously the answer is yes, but the question is if this so called “saved” person is really saved at all.

These are age-old questions in Christianity, regarding the matter of degree. Where is the line, if any, to be drawn regarding sanctification? Is someone who never even sets foot in a church once, who never gives up any of his old life of sin, a genuine, born again Christian? If the answer is no, where do we draw the line? Is it up to us anyway, and if not, do we just let anyone into our church fellowship, even the stubbornly and defiantly unrepentant person who says they are a believer? Perhaps it might be more suitable for us to ask what degree does the light of Christ need to shine from a person in order to reveal that the Light is actually within a person?

Now to get back to the originally worded question, I imagine he could, but he wouldn't have any earthly assurance. This might be akin to a drunk who makes it, but all his works in terms of rewards are as nothing. He makes it on God's grace alone like the rest of us, but since he didn't live a sanctified life, he forfeits blessings on earth and rewards in heaven, and his assurance was shaken while here in this life, perhaps. It is a good question, and one in which I fear too many rest on some "decision" earlier in life.

Perhaps there are some who never realize the release from the shackles of sin at all in this life and will still make it to heaven. I believe it certainly is possible. To do justice to the question however, we must look at the full picture. We don't know for sure how many might be like this, and there are going to be more that are the other way around. They lead bad lives that don’t reflect the light of Christ to any visible degree, and yet they think they will be in heaven based on some “decision” that “they” made earlier in life. They were only fooling themselves. They need to ask the real question, “If you didn’t like who God was and want to love Christ, and by extension want to live a life pleasing to God on earth, why in the world would you want to have to live that life in heaven?”

So the answer to the original question or any similarly worded question is this. In theory, yes, some will make it, but in practice, many won’t.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thanks Pastor Hatfield!

Anonymous said...

Very Profound, JD. I was talking to a 13 year old the other day, he has a degree of understanding but could not justify why he needed it beyond the obvious.

Taking into concideration that he is a child and what a childs perspective might be on this topic.

I hope I get another chance to talk to him. You have some very important insight. Thanks...

Even So... said...

This is one of those things we all need to keep in mind because these type of questions are always being asked...

It kind of relates, in a way, to my post of last week, "minimum wage"...

Anonymous said...

JD, love the header. Looks great...

Halfmom, AKA, Susan said...

JD - do you think that we can even repent of sin without God doing it for and through us?

Anonymous said...

JD,
Yeah, but this one poses the possibility of making less than minimum wage.

Oftentimes people who base salvation on their own works (instead of Christ's) mock the simple confession's saving power.

But they are right to mock it if faith isn't the driving force behind those words.

Romans 10:8 - the Word being in your mouth but in your heart also is the key to true salvation.

Anonymous said...

...and "that faith" (James 2:14) is what saves him...

Even So... said...

Well, one thing I am learning is that you cannot and should not cover every nuance with every post or evangelistic encounter or sermon or teaching moment...too many qualifications in the "moment of truth" undermine conviction, confidence, and credibility...bring the word, not all the words...

Even So... said...

Sounds like I might have a post coming up titled "cover all the bases"...a problem I have been guilty of too many times to count...even in the pulpit...

Anonymous said...

"Well, one thing I am learning is that you cannot and should not cover every nuance with every post or evangelistic encounter or sermon or teaching moment"

for sure, for sure...

I was praying for the Lord to help me to dig the right "20 minutes worth" out of that 120 minute size message I gave Sunday.

Anonymous said...

PS,

I generally don't mean to insinuate that you've left necessary details out by my commentary. Just "manifesting" my thoughts as I muse upon your words.

Kim said...

I, too, love the header.

And the post was pretty excellent, too!

Anonymous said...

JD said -

"They need to ask the real question, “If you didn’t like who God was and want to love Christ, and by extension want to live a life pleasing to God on earth, why in the world would you want to have to live that life in heaven?”

Whew!!...now if that's not a thought provoking question, I don't know what is!

Jim said...

JD, this was the best post on this subject I have seen by a Calvinist in a long time.

You approached the subject objectively and openly. You expressed some valid questions while at the same time leaving the possibility of not having all knowledge on the subject, and to top it all off you didn't end with a proof text justifying your view.

That is why I keep coming back here...

God bless,
Jim

Even So... said...

Thank you for the encouragement Jim, and blessings...