tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post115008341115660138..comments2023-11-03T08:28:04.408-04:00Comments on Voice of Vision: Take HeedEven So...http://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150288793562280492006-06-14T08:39:00.000-04:002006-06-14T08:39:00.000-04:00Jerry, that is great, I am going to use this, brot...Jerry, that is great, I am going to use this, brother, and soon.Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150265958271908842006-06-14T02:19:00.000-04:002006-06-14T02:19:00.000-04:00We come "just as I am" but Christ does not leave u...<I>We come "just as I am" but Christ does not leave us in that condition (Ephesians 2:10).</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, exactly. One thing that many overlook is the fact that God chastises His children - if someone is truly saved and is walking in sin, God won't leave them in that condition. If they have no chastisement, they are not saved.<BR/><BR/>It seems too often we take an extreme one way or the other: either accept all who make some profession of faith (without critiquing their profession and seeing if it does in fact line up with God's Word), then think they must have lost their salvation when they later apostasize or walk into grievous sins - or take the other extreme and think that no true Christian could ever backslide or walk into grievous sin (which also doesn't line up with Scripture). <BR/><BR/>If a child of God won't repent of some sin in their life that God has brought to their attention, then He will deal with them in their sin.<BR/><BR/><B>First He speaks</B> (through His Word, through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, through preaching, and through the witness of others and through circumstances), <B>then He spanks</B> (this would be light chastisement, such as a temporary sickness or trial to get their attention), <B>then He scourges</B> (this would be heavy chastimsent that is often permanent and scarring, such as loving a loved one, losing a limb, a heavy financial or material loss, etc.), and lastly if all this chastisement is not heeded, the Lord takes His final step, <B>He separates</B> (by death, this is referred to in 1 John as the sin unto death, and seen in Acts 5 and 1 Corinthians 11).Jerry Boueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11939572388745111915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150246026345813042006-06-13T20:47:00.000-04:002006-06-13T20:47:00.000-04:00Yes, I agree, too much sloppy grace, which is no g...Yes, I agree, too much sloppy grace, which is no grace at all but licentiousness. Grace is a teacher (Titus 2:12), and many, says Christ (Matthew 7:22-23) will think they are "gettin in" when they won't. They profess to know Him, but their works deny that profession (Titus 1:16).<BR/><BR/>You aren't just saved from something (God's wrath), but to something (the person of Christ). We come "just as I am" but Christ does not leave us in that condition (Ephesians 2:10).<BR/><BR/><B><I>AMEN</I></B>Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150243705570882102006-06-13T20:08:00.000-04:002006-06-13T20:08:00.000-04:00Thanks Jerry - Guess I'm just really "hung up" on ...Thanks Jerry - <BR/><BR/>Guess I'm just really "hung up" on this - I just "feel" :) like I'm around too many "sloppy grace" kind of attitudes. I want to be around those who encourage me to enter into the Holy Place/Holy of Holies...<BR/><BR/>Again,thanks for the explanation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150186369892267082006-06-13T04:12:00.000-04:002006-06-13T04:12:00.000-04:00What do we base our salvation on? Our walk or our ...What do we base our salvation on? Our walk or our faith in Christ? True salvation comes by repenting of our sins and putting our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Then the Lord makes us a new creature in Christ and we are born again - we are no longer the same, our lives are transformed. However even a true Christian can backslide and do wrong - yea, even for a period of time. <BR/><BR/>The Bible teaches eternal security - let's not lose sight of that. Just because someone walks unruly - that doesn't change Scripture. If someone never shows good fruit (at all) then that is an evidence that they are not saved - but that is over the course of their whole life, not just one point in it. 1 John 2:19 teaches that if someone rejects the truth and turns from it completely (my paraphrase), then they were never truly saved - so let's not mix false professions with backsliding. <BR/><BR/>A false professor may look good for a time, but eventually the truth of what they are will reveal itself (if not down here, then at the Great White Throne judgment - the tares will abide until the end); and a true believer may fall for a time, but they will get back up by putting their eyes back on the Lord or they will be chastised, possibly even by death. <BR/><BR/>1 John 3 is a great passage to show this: those who do unrighteous (ongoing, present tense - who keep doing unrighteousness) were never saved, and those who do righteousness (present tense, ongoing - keep doing righteousness) are saved. What is the overall picture (not just a glimpse at one point in their life)?Jerry Boueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11939572388745111915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150157706061166082006-06-12T20:15:00.000-04:002006-06-12T20:15:00.000-04:00Thanks for the explanations......I don't think I w...Thanks for the explanations......I don't think I would like to be thought of as a carnal Christian. And what of those who "choose" to stay immature their whole entire life?....I guess I struggle with such terminology because it seems as though so many of us Christians want to have just enough Christianity to get us into heaven. I don't want to belabor this point but I run into so many people that have the attitude of "we all sin" anytime the subject is brought up...it's almost like an excuse, so I struggle with this "carnal" Christian thing.<BR/><BR/>Thanks ya'll!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150144362911422152006-06-12T16:32:00.000-04:002006-06-12T16:32:00.000-04:00I agree with Jerry, and I would define it in this ...I agree with Jerry, and I would define it in this context as...<BR/>Immature believers who are living more by the dictates of their old man than by the new man.Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150139625566660432006-06-12T15:13:00.000-04:002006-06-12T15:13:00.000-04:00What is a "carnal" Christian? Isn't that an oxymor...<I>What is a "carnal" Christian? Isn't that an oxymoron?</I><BR/><BR/>Depends on how you are using the word "Christian." If you mean "Christlike", then there is no such thing as a carnal Christlike person. However, if you use the term the way many Christians do to indicate a true believer in Christ (through faith alone in His finished work on Calvary), then yes, you can have a carnal Christian (ie. believer).Jerry Boueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11939572388745111915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16790134.post-1150130337532399552006-06-12T12:38:00.000-04:002006-06-12T12:38:00.000-04:00OK.....now you're "getting into it", Even So.What ...OK.....now you're "getting into it", Even So.<BR/><BR/>What is a "carnal" Christian? Isn't that an oxymoron?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com